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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Sea Breeze

What is keeping you from answering this: Do you have a body, soul (mind, emotion, will), and spirit?

@Duran: Why would you ask me this since I am the one who posted the scriptures that claims this is how we are constructed?

This is simply nonsense. The nature of Christ and his relationship with God was a
matter of contention which split early Christianity into diverse sects

There have always been heretics, malcontents, and cult followers trying to infiltrate Christians since the beginning. They do not, nor have ever represented Christians. The early church elders wrote thousands of pages of information to each other to combat their influence. I own a complete set of their writings - 12 hard-bound volumes.

Why not take the time to read them? Virtually the entire NT bible can be reconstructed from just their writings alone. From it, you can learn how Christians used certain verses that heretics in our day claim are false or misused.

One of the things you can learn from their writings is that from the beginning believers received Jesus as God. There is simply no other conclusion to come to after reading their letters to one another.

If we were alive in the first century and we witnessed a man claim he would resurrect himself from the dead, and then after he did that, publically proclaim that he posessed "all power in heaven and earth".... it would be very hard to dismiss.

How can a person dismiss the claims of a person who resurrected himself from the dead... while he was dead?

This is the key feature that "set the woods on fire" with Christianity. It swept across the Roman empire like a Tsunami. It was by far the greatest feat ever witnessed on this planet, and remains so to this very day.

Only the Creator would be able to do this. This is the context that must be considered when examining statements about Jesus' divinity. Jesus is either God, or a liar. But, he cannot be both. Each person must decide which side they are on.

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Sea Breeze

Devotion to the Holy Face of Jesus: Alexamenos graffito

The Alexamenos Graffito is a piece of grafitti found in Rome near Palatine Hill that mockingly states: "Alex worships his God". I visited Palatine Hill last summer and didn't get to see this.

This is what is known as a "hostile witness". In other words, it was created by someone critical of Christianity at the time. It accurately represents the impression that unbelievers had of Christians.

This inscription debunks several JW falsehoods:

1. Jesus didn't die on a cross

2. Jesus wasn't though of as God until Constatine pushed it through

3. Believers had ultimate love for Jehovah, but not Jesus.

Notice the bleeding heart the inscriber attributed to believers. Like Christians today, believers are overwhelmed that Jesus would die for someone as pitiful and sin ridden as they are. JW's on the otherhand are hoping to get eternal-life like a person hopes to win the lottery. Most JW's are fairly certain that their good works will be enough to be saved. It's too bad they ignore scriptures like this one: "By the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified".

Anyway, this artifact predates the Megiddo Mosaic by around 30 years (AD 200), and is a strong witness that supports a widespread belief among Pre-Constatine Christians that Jesus was indeed God, the Creator of heaven and earth.

This supports the conclusion that the hightest Christology is the earliest Christology.

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Sea Breeze

Ernest,

I'm having trouble understanding your point. Are you suggesting that all the sources that say this insription refers to JESUS AS GOD are wrong?

@ Duran

When did I say the Scriptures are 'idiotic', I said your chart and reasoning is!

The chart simply graphically represents the scripture citations that are listed on it. If it is idiotic, which of the scripture verses do you think makes it idiotic?

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Sea Breeze

Earnest,

Are you trying to say that the inscription means anything less than "Jesus is God"?" Because that what all the experts say.

This Greek magazine agrees that the mosaic says it is to God Jesus Christ. Surely they understand their own language. Even Jewish sources agree this refers to Jesus as God. Surely, they would be the first to deny this discovery if there was the slightest doubt of its meaning.

Another inscription on the mosaic credits Gaianus, also known as Porphyrius, a Roman centurion, for funding the mosaic as an act of generosity.

So, contrary to the Watchtower, other active duty military employees were Christians besides Cornelius.

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Sea Breeze

You just cant stand it that the bible says says that Jesus raised himself from the dead can you?

I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. - John 10: 17-18

So the Jews said to him, “What sign do you show us for doing these things?” 19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” 20 The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” 21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken. - John 2: 18-22

Nothing you can do will remove these verses from the bible, nothing.

Of couse the bible says that God raised Jesus from the dead! That's my point! When Jesus raised himself from the dead like he said he was going to do, God did it!

First you have to ask yourself can God die.

Of course God can die, this is what he did for you and me and everyone else that would like to be adopted as a son or daughter.

the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. - Acts 20: 28

God Bleeds .

Have you ever even tried to read the bible without a Satanic WT publication to tell you what to think?

your little chart has the be the most idiotic thing to every be posted here.

Please list the scriptures on the chart that you consider "idiotic".

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Sea Breeze

Rattigan,

Your mind is simply ruined. I know you can read and understand the English language.

He did not say that he would be resurrected in 3 days.

Wrong..... that is just EXACTLY what he said he would do. And, that he would do it himself!

I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. - John 10: 17-18

So the Jews said to him, “What sign do you show us for doing these things?” 19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” 20 The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” 21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken. - John 2: 18-22

It was John who added " he was talking about the temple of his body."

"All scripture is inspired" .... remember? Your willingness to characterize apostles as liars and to eliminate scriptures that do not support your heresy can only be described as breathtaking indifference towards the word of God.

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I've done it: Christmas Lights Outside

by StephaneLaliberte in

lets see if that causes a problem.

i've been inactive for a very long time now (like 10+ years), so, i don't expect to hear anything from it, but my parents are worried i'll get df.

lets see what happens.

Sea Breeze

You all left the religion and claim freedom, but to do things just because the world does them and it is not your idea, is following the world.

Rattigan,

Have you ever done something that wasn't your idea? Are you drawing (or going to be drawing) social security? That wasn't your idea was it? Social security is not even in the bible!

Please repent of your worldly ways.... especially hypocrisy.

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Sea Breeze

Rattigan,

Please explain how Jesus can have ALL POWER IN HEAVEN AND EARTH while and the same time declare the Father is greater than he.

How can Jesus raise himself from the dead, while dead, without being God? Doesn't that make him a false prophet if he didn't?

How can he have the highest name in the universe, even higher than Jehovah? ("the name that is above every name" - Phil 2: 9)

This chart explains how all those statements are true:

If you cannot explain these seeming contradictions with your unbiblical view, then just admit that your view has failed to reconcile all the scriptures.... And ALL the scriptures are inspired, not just the ones you like.

You got the wrong Jesus Rattigan. Unless of course you can logically and coherently answer the questions your view raises.

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Sea Breeze

Rattigan,

You are just ripping out verses you don't like, just like Watchtower does. You seem to claim to want to believe Jesus, but you do not want to believe his hand picked apostles who were full of the holy spirit as they wrote scripture.

You believe the bible when you want to.

Care to expalin how Jesus resurrected himself from the dead while he was dead, without being God?

In John 2:19 Jesus predicts that He will raise Himself from the dead (see also John 10:18). Try raising yourself from the dead, while dead.

Jesus did something infinitely greater than simply declaring he was God. Anyone can do that.

Yea, he was God alright. No doubt about it.

"I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE" - JESUS

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Why so many cult leaders have weird relationship issues and dysfunctional marriages?

by buzkid in

why do so many cult leaders have weird relationship issues and dysfunctional marriages?russell coudn't get along with his wife mariah.

rutherford had trouble with his wife and sent her away.. eric wilson says it's o.k.

if you don't get legally married as long as you have a "spiritual marriage" in his latest video response to the situation of people coming forward complaining about the abusive religious tactics his "wife" practices and he condones.. i ask this question in a previous post but it deserves it's own discussion definitely:why is it that so many cult leaders have weird relationship issues and dysfunctional marriages?.

Sea Breeze

The devill uses spiritual Jujitsu. This is where you do not directly oppose the direction of force from an opponent. You simply step aside and "help" the opponents' strength to facilitate his own downfall.

When a fleshly, unsaved person reads the bible the enemy will try to make him feel special, superior. He begins to wonder why others are not a spiritual as he is. He begins to reason that God must have special plans for someone with as much to offer as he does. In extreme cases, he may see himslf prophesied in scriptutre - "that" faithful and wise servant".

He begins to see his criticalness of others as really a spiritual gift from God - the gift of "discernment".

The reality is they are in fact turning into a bigger jackass than what they were previously. There is an old saying, "If you really want to find out how someone is doing, just ask their spouse".

If you are a self-centered jackass, you can usually fool many people. But, you won't be able to fool the spouse (or children) who live with you.

Hope that helps.